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[ovly]

Ovly @ 10/18/16, 15:30

Only now the frequencies for this miracle will not scratch all three opsoz

In the light of this information, the device may be interesting here as well.
http: //www.iksmedia.ru...uskorila-mobilnyj.html
If I saw the aggregation of b3 + b38 in the MTS network, in Moscow, the stump is clear.

Post has been editedovly - 19.12.16, 07:14

[sandwern]

ovly

If I saw the aggregation of b3 + b38 in the MTS network, in Moscow, the stump is clear.

Those. Is it still not deployed throughout the city? And where they saw, if not a secret? What device?

Post has been editedsandwern - 19.12.16, 07:25

[ovly]

What secrets can there be? For everything or not, I don’t know in Moscow rarely. I saw in Tushino in the shopping center that next to the metro station Shodnenskaya device, Lumia 950.

Post has been editedovly - 19.12.16, 07:36

[ilyailyich]

An interesting router.
The price will probably be very high.
Not even a router - but a BS absorber.
Such 5 devices in the district and other users will not have an Internet.
After all, where is the guarantee that the width of the BS channel will cope with such a load.
Now I see a picture of how my base cell speed drops from month to month in 4g due to the increase in load (
When the aggregation of frequencies will come to the masses will be on tests 1 Gbit, and in fact 1 Mbit

Viajante @ 10/18/16, 15:52

Remember, at the time of 3G, users argued - one DL in 3G has 1-2 megabits, and the other has 4-10 megabits.
it turned out that one had an old device, and another had a new one that supported dchsdpa and swung in several streams,thereby further reducing the available speed in this place for owners of old (outdated) devices.

Exactly

Post has been editedilyailyich - 24.12.16, 23:02

[ovly]

[email protected], 22:35

Such 5 devices in the district and other users will not have an Internet

It is unlikely, the adaptive QoS system of opsocks will not allow.

[sandwern]

That began in 2017 ...

On the officialthe siteTelstra is nothing - they sell already known models.
On the officialchannelNetgear is also nothing.

Even at the CES 2017 exhibition, Netgear brought all that is possible, even two stationaryrouterLTE Cat.4, but not MR1100 ... During the live broadcast to the question "And when?" The answer was in the style of "All that was brought is in our showroom, you can read." This is definitely not just. More precisely, to say, Qualcomm has given more information in its commercials than Netgear, who simply remain silent like fish.

According to other information, the product was renamed Netgear Nighthawk M1 and they brought it, they just said nothing about it. Only two reviews were found:

1. http://5gwnews.com/ind...thawk-does-gigabit-lte
2. https: //www.teltarif.d...otspot/news/66953.html

And here is the final appearance of the device in the version for Telstra. It can be assumed that the AirCard devices will no longer exist. Nighthawk is bad because they are always asked for incredible amounts of money ...
Supports LTE 4-CA, LTE Cat.16. MicroSD slot.

Appearance

Datasheet:NETGEAR MR1100 Mobile Router (Telstra) (Post sandwern # 57818445)

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 20:37

[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 18:17

According to other information, the product was renamed Netgear Nighthawk M1 and they brought it, they just said almost nothing about it.

May be. But if so, then the device has become - if it can be said so about, in general, as long as it is a “virtual” object, the performance of which cannot be really verified independently - even less similar to what it is wanted to represent.
In its original form, we saw in the photo a hole through which connectors for an additional pair of antennas pass, and it was clear how MIMO 4x4 is implemented in practice. Here, there are no traces left of these holes, and even in the “document” it is clearly stated only about two antenna connectors. Thus, the degree of trust in the statements that the device with the stated characteristics was actually created in real life and works in accordance with these characteristics has decreased to the minimum, below which is a banal lie want to).

In short, there is no such thing yet. Regardless of how it is now called. We are waiting for them to be mastered.

[Viajante]

[email protected], 18:13

In the original form we saw in the photo

besides, the model from this topic had no screen at all.
And on the new model, by reference, there is a screen.

so maybe it's still different products?

[sandwern]

[email protected], 00:06

so maybe it's still different products?

Moreover, both in the first and in the second case - Introducing the World's First Digabit Device;)
And even the promise to make a device for Telstra - both there and there ...

On the other hand, in Netgear, a four-digit ruler usually represents stationary devices ...
Perhaps it makes sense to wait for the appearance of at least one of these two products on the market, and then we'll see.

[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 00:13

On the other hand, in Netgear, a four-digit ruler usually represents stationary devices ...

Well, a device with such characteristics is stationary. In the sense that it cannot be implemented in the form factor of a mobile router, while providing the parameters stated here. I have already discussed this issue in more detail.above.

That is why, to put it mildly, the information about this Nighthawk is alarming. If then, the original device is the MR1100, judging by the pictures with 4 external antennas connected, it wasphysicallyable to work using MIMO 4x4, then judging by the design and description of Nighthawk, which only speaks about 2 connectors for antennas, there is no such ability.
And it was possible to believe that the MR1100 was ready for production, it’s just a matter of time for its organization: this is normal - it was first announced, then it was launched. However, it is impossible to believe that a working mobile device with MIMOx4 with dimensions of 105x105x20 mm with connectors for only 2 antennas is available. Of course, this deception is undertaken with some quite understandable and beneficial (for Netgear) goal. Without him, it would probably be difficult to manage, the image would suffer, etc. But cheating is cheating, whatever its purpose ...

[email protected], 00:06

so maybe it's still different products?

May be. But unfortunately, this does not remove the question of deception. Even if we assume that 256QAM and 4CA can be used simultaneously in MDM9x5x (which is not so with 95% probability), then the maximum data transfer rate with MIMOx2 cannot exceed 800 Mbps. And in fact, it is equal to 600 Mbit / s (3CA + 256QAM or 4CA + 64QAM). This does not correspond to the stated in the 1 Gbps specification.

[sandwern]

[email protected], 10:15

However, it is impossible to believe that a working mobile device with MIMOx4 with dimensions of 105x105x20 mm with connectors for only 2 antennas is available.

In the review (the second link in the message#26) explain this phenomenon in a very interesting way:

The actual implementation makes some compromises, such as not supporting 4x4 MIMO in all bands.

And this interesting fact, as I understand it, is not reflected in the document. Those. it can be assumed that there are still internal antennas there, only they are not broadband. Then the idea arises that 4x4 MIMO will not work, for example, in high-frequency bands, like the same Band 7, which you already told about:

[email protected], 15:05

Just do not forget that in the case of suitable sizes, within reasonable limits for a mobile router, it is physically impossible to arrange 4 antennas in such a way that even when operating in “high-frequency” bands, such as B7, provide the minimum necessary “independence” of 4 MIMO streams.

And then it turns out oil painting, as they say ...

Post has been editedsandwern - 15.01.17, 11:54

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Sandwern @ 01/15/17, 11:44

some compromises, such as not supporting 4x4 MIMO in all bands

This phrase - "curve" ambiguous. If I wanted to write something in the sense of "MIMO 4x4 is not supported for all bands, but only for some," I would write "... such as lack of support for 4x4 MIMO in some bands" or, if closer to them to the "grubby" text, "... such as supporting 4x4 MIMO not in all bands." And so I take this text as a statement that "MIMO 4x4 is not supported for all bands." I suppose that it was written in such a way not by chance, but intentionally - in order to “drive off” in case of anything, referring to an unsuccessfully selected formulation.

Sandwern @ 01/15/17, 11:44

Those. It can be assumed that there are still internal antennas, only they are not broadband.

Yes you can. But this is just one of the options for reading the above phrase.
Then, the internal antennas are definitely there - only 2 of them, as usual.

Sandwern @ 01/15/17, 11:44

This suggests that 4x4 MIMO will not work, for example, in high-frequency bands, like the same Band 7

No, the opposite is true. The higher the frequency, the shorter the wavelength, and the shorter the minimum distance between the antennas, which ensures the necessary “independence” of the streams from each other.

You can also fantasize, for example, that those 2 external antennas that connect to the connectors are, conditionally speaking, the 3rd and 4th antennas, and internal ones are used as the 1st and 2nd. The explanation is no better than any other, to a similar degree doubtful.

In general, equipment manufacturers tend to substitute the parameters of a real device with descriptions of the capabilities of the platform on which it is built. Here, I recently encountered an indicative case of this type for the Xiaomi Mi4c phone: it uses MSM8992, which provides the ability to build a Cat.9 device on it, while the mentioned phone is a Cat.4 device. But in this example, the manufacturer does not particularly hide this fact, and does not say anything about Cat.9 in the specification.

Post has been editedvvevvevve - 15.01.17, 12:31

[sandwern]

Telstra Corporation announced active testing of the Netgear Nighthawk M1 router in its lab. The news was accompanied by the following photo:

Apparently, it was decided to fix the MS156 connectors (assumption) with hot glue so that they would not fall out during the testing process :)
The device will go on the market this year.

A source:news.com.au

P.S. Another news follows: in the USA, AT & T turned off GSM (2G) base stations on December 31, 2016, since 99% of the country’s territory is covered by LTE.A source.

Post has been editedsandwern - 24.01.17, 11:40

[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 11:19

it was decided to fix the MS156 connectors (assumption) to prevent them from falling out during the testing process

Aha That is, these holes for connectors of the 3rd and 4th antennas still exist. Well, the end of the device with connectors is clearly visible: it is clear that there are the same connectors as in the previous photos of the MR1100, and they are located exactly the same. That is, "continuity" is present. And if we assume that in the “old version” there was a muzzle (only it was not highlighted by this idiotic circle, but hidden under a translucent top cover - as in Y850, for example), then we can say that this Nighthawk is a new name for MR1100.

Something that this ornithophilia disturbs me - in the names, in the passwords. And there would have been some “proud” birds, worthy of being a symbol of something heroic ... And then there was also this “Lokhovskaya” circle around the face. Do they really think that this is exactly what a display frame for a device of this class should look like?

On December 31, 2016, AT & T disconnected GSM (2G) base stations, since 99% of the country’s territory is covered by LTE network

I do not see the logic in this "as." Is it covered? Call people like? Something I strongly doubt that they have there all the people in the countryside, including retirees - such "advanced" that everyone has a phone with at least UMTS support.

[sandwern]

[email protected], 21:17

Something that this ornithophilia disturbs me - in the names, in the passwords. And there would have been some “proud” birds, worthy of being a symbol of something heroic ... And then there was also this “Lokhovskaya” circle around the face. Do they really think that this is exactly what a display frame for a device of this class should look like?

The name of the device, of course, is rather unusual. The bird itself is not solarge. It would be produced in Russia, one could call it that - Netgir the Nightjar M1 =))
And the available translation options besides the main one are alarming:

• nightjar - nightjar, goatsucker, nighthawk, dor-hawk, fern-owl
  
• night taxi driver - nighthawk
  
• thief gunning at night - nighthawk
  
• man working at night - nighthawk

The display seems to be monochrome. It is interesting that from what distance can you see it, judging by its size? By the way, the battery 5040 mAh - that's great for it, very nice. Finally, at least one company came to understand the need for a normal capacity.

vvevvevve

I do not see the logic in this "as." Is it covered? Call people like? Something I strongly doubt that they have there all the people in the countryside, including retirees - such "advanced" that everyone has a phone with at least UMTS support.

For those who are aware of technology - VoLTE. For all other UMTS. The AT & T website says about discounts for buying a new phone in this situation. On the other hand, does it make sense to maintain equipment for 25 years? So what that use, subscribers warned, the new infrastructure is ready. Let go yourself. Yes, certain inconveniences will arise, but this is all temporary. Maybe someone from nostalgia will even put an old device somewhere in a locker, in the hope that it will be useful, to show it to my grandchildren.

[sandwern]

A presentation was held in Sydney on the launch of the new generation Telstra network with the participation of Netgear, Qualcomm, Ericsson and Telstra.Event Video (in English, 3D only).
The event was presented to the router Nighthawk M1, which will be available in Australia in late February. Stated support for 4x4 MIMO, 3CA (Three Carrier Aggregation) and 256QAM.

Online news about this event:[1], [2], [3]and[4].

Photo device

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 08:38

[vvevvevve]

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 08:19

Event video

No time to watch 70 minutes of the movie completely. I correctly understood that there is only "talk", do not show the piece of metal itself?

[sandwern]

[email protected], 08:44

the piece of iron do not show?

It depends on what is meant here. If externally, yes, they show (added a photo in the previous post), if technically, then not really - more talk about technology. Actually, the video did not look completely for this reason :)
P.S. About the router we are talking about the 25th minute.

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 08:57

[vvevvevve]

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 08:53

If externally, yes, show

Externally - we have already seen. I meant something like a stand on which a router with antennas is installed, as well as a computer (or whatever?) To which the router is connected. And, of course, the screen displays a window of some software measuring the data transfer rate, in which (the window) modest digits of the order of 990 Mbit / s are so unobtrusively displayed ... And around it all - people with inspired persons, some express undisguised admiration, telling stories in the traditional American style "I used to ..., and now ...", while others, modestly looking down, explain (accompanying the reports with idiotic slides with diagrams peppery abbreviations) that such a result is not the limit, and after a ridiculous 1.5 years, the whole thing will come to a new level. Here are prominent regional public and (possibly) government officials: "Yes, new technologies open up unprecedented prospects ...".

Somehow this should be an open presentation of the technological solution, in my opinion. This is with a "living piece of iron," so to speak - if there is something to show "in kind." And if there is no piece of iron (dummies are not counted), then the mandatory program is reduced. In my opinion, we are dealing here with such a case.
On the other hand, well, do not show the same "decent people" here is the design with connectors, filled with hot melt? And without glue, apparently, they do not stick ... which is not surprising with this design.

[sandwern]

[email protected], 10:36

Somehow this should be an open presentation of the technological solution, in my opinion. This is with a "living piece of iron," so to speak - if there is something to show "in kind." And if there is no piece of iron (dummies are not counted), then the mandatory program is reduced. In my opinion, we are dealing here with such a case.

The router is exactly alive, because Speedtest they start at the 8th minute (8:21), and in idle flashes a green indicator. The question is why they could not upload the video in the usual format, nothing is visible in this 3D, and it’s inconvenient to watch from the phone every time.

P.S. There was a mini-review (hands-on, exactly an hour ago at the time of publication of this message - an excerpt of the broadcast) on Nighthawk M1:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN744glzWZk
The price of the version for Telstra will be 360 ​​dollars (Australian, 1 AUD ~ 45.4 RUR as of January 31, 2017). Q.E.D...

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 15:40